Anyone tried mo/r? - Guild Wars Forums

Multifaros · Jun 07, 2005, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Im thinking about this.

I just started a monk, Miss Dibbles. Im going to take almost
everything on healing, protecting and divine flavor. I feels like
i dont really need a second proffession.

But what about ranger? I can have a pet! This was the plan:
On the "skill table" i do only have monk skills, looots of monk skills.
And 1 ranger skill, charm animal so that i can have my animal.
I can heal my animal with my heal skills.

Doesnt it sound damn nice? Anyone tried it? What do you think?

And another thing:

Animals. I want one of those pig outside the "old, nice" ascalon. Are they bad? I heard someone that said that all pets are almost the same good. If so, i want a pig. Because they look cool.

Multifaros · Jun 07, 2005, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Please, she's lvl 4 now...

Lerxst_of_Syrinx · Jun 07, 2005, 06:50 AM // 06:50

I've been a Mo/R since the WPE many, many moons ago. Since my character has matured (ascended) I have found that I have stopped using my Ranger skills completely. I did enjoy using my pet, but unless you are willing to throw some points into Beast Mastery, pets die far too easily at these higher levels. Using a bow was fun and I pumped up Marksmanship so I could do some damage. But a Monk is just that, a Monk, you tend to heal/protect/smite and are not supposed to be a damage machine; so I purely use Monks skills now.

I just changed secondaries and am looking hard at Mesmer skills. A couple look very promising when used in conjunction with some Monk skills.

theclam · Jun 07, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00

In my limited experience, I've found that with a Monk, your secondary profession is very secondary. I often don't use any of my Necromancer abilities. When I do, it's almost always just to supplement my healing abilities, rather than incorporating any Necro game mechanics (although if I'm doing easy missions with henchies, I'll use 3 Blood or Death Magic spells, because I don't need to heal much).

So, I recommend that if you want to play a primary Monk, pick a secondary profession that will make you a better healer, not a secondary profession that has a cool gameplay mechanic (like a pet, for example).

Now, for a Ranger, there are some cool spells that would help you be a better Monk:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/443-energizing-wind
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/427-symbiosis
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/4...u-s-resilience
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/4...ckening-zephyr

I would forget about using a pet, since if you're in PvE, you'll have Warriors that will tank for you, and if you're PvP, your pet skill is just taking up a place on your skill bar that could be used for a much more effective skill.

Maybe you should try a Ranger/Monk instead of a Monk/Ranger.

Eclair · Jun 07, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Pets are pretty much worthless later in the game. Early on they're cute and fun, but they really don't do much even with maxed beast mastery. Think of it this way, even if you max your pet skills, and bring 4-5 skills for your pet to use, your pet will at most be a Stefan or Little Thom, and you've just used up half your skill slots (1 for charm pet, 1 for a pet res, 2-3 pet skills) and a large portion of your attribute points.

So far, I'm finding a very hard time integrating ranger skills into my build. The problem with ranger secondary is that without expertise, you're pretty much limited to 2 trees. Marksmanship is nice, but much too mana heavy to use without expertise cutting down the mana cost, and the expertise line is just worthless without high expertise.

That leaves you with beast mastery and wilderness survival. Beast mastery is pretty much worthless later on unless you have to abuse symbiosis, but that's a lot more trouble than it's worth. Wilderness Survival has some interesting skills, but most of the stuff involves heavy bow use to really utilize, and in the end I'm just finding myself using storm chaser for running around =/

However, having a ranger secondary on a monk could come in handy in pvp, as nature rituals often come in handy.

Rajamic · Jun 07, 2005, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Might be useful to put points into Wilderness Survival and slap in Dryder's Defenses for self-protection (Stance; 75% melee evade and 34-55 Elemental Armor). Problem is it's only 5-10 seconds and a 60 second recharge, so you'd have to be careful how often you use it.

Healing Spring, or maybe even Serpent's Quickness might be useful too, since Dryder's is really late game.

Multifaros · Jun 07, 2005, 07:47 AM // 07:47

Ok. Too late. I allready choosed ranger as secondary.

Anyhoo, how about pet? I heard someone said that all pets ar almost same good, so i took a pig. *lol*. A warthog. Lvl 5 now.

Are they any good in high lvl?

wonderworm · Jun 07, 2005, 10:07 AM // 10:07

If you plan on being a healing monk having a pet is a very very very bad idea. If your pet dies all your skills will be disabled for 10(?) seconds.
While this is annoying for all other professions it can be fatal if it happens to the only group healer since you can't heal your party members for that amount of time. I don't think anyone will accept : "Sorry i couldn't heal you because my pet died."

Ninna · Jun 07, 2005, 10:47 AM // 10:47

the pet is worthless due to the death penalty you suffer when pet dies
(all your skills are disabled for 8 seconds)

Ripper · Jun 07, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04

The are also disabled for another 8 seconds when you rez your pet.

Viruzzz · Jun 07, 2005, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclair

Pets are pretty much worthless later in the game. Early on they're cute and fun, but they really don't do much even with maxed beast mastery. Think of it this way, even if you max your pet skills, and bring 4-5 skills for your pet to use, your pet will at most be a Stefan or Little Thom, and you've just used up half your skill slots (1 for charm pet, 1 for a pet res, 2-3 pet skills) and a large portion of your attribute points.

So far, I'm finding a very hard time integrating ranger skills into my build. The problem with ranger secondary is that without expertise, you're pretty much limited to 2 trees. Marksmanship is nice, but much too mana heavy to use without expertise cutting down the mana cost, and the expertise line is just worthless without high expertise.

That leaves you with beast mastery and wilderness survival. Beast mastery is pretty much worthless later on unless you have to abuse symbiosis, but that's a lot more trouble than it's worth. Wilderness Survival has some interesting skills, but most of the stuff involves heavy bow use to really utilize, and in the end I'm just finding myself using storm chaser for running around =/

However, having a ranger secondary on a monk could come in handy in pvp, as nature rituals often come in handy.

first of all, a pet MIGHT just be a stefan/little thom BUT, its a "henchie" that by passes, after saying that. i'm gonna say the opposite of it. pets are not useless at all. most people just use them as a extra fighter hench. but they have potential for so much more. with the right setup. you can make your ranger shine.

Multifaros · Jun 07, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Ok. ****.

Is there ANY good x/r? It feels like ranger is the badest class.

Because this was suppose to be a healing monk. What is best for healing monks? mo/me?

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 07, 2005, 01:34 PM // 13:34

I took Ranger as my secondary for my monk. Simply because I have no intention on using my secondary. I will maybe equip 1 ranger skill to play around with from time to time. One thing I like to use is Troll Ungent. That with Healing breeze and mending (they seem to all stack) I get crazy health regen. Troll Ungent is kind of selfish, but I am thinking this would be a good farming combo, and once I get a little higher will test it out.

Harlas Kije · Jun 07, 2005, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multifaros

Ok. ****.

Is there ANY good x/r? It feels like ranger is the badest class.

Because this was suppose to be a healing monk. What is best for healing monks? mo/me?

I play a healing monk level 18 right now. PVE ONLY--so this is not from a PVP perspective.

I am a mo/ele--thought it would go well with the glyph that makes your next spell cost less to cast and some of the def spells. I have found that I have mainly had a full bar of monk spells. I rarely run out of energy esp when you have balthazar ( each time you get hit you gain energy) + life bond ( half damage on other person goes to you minus X). I put lifebond on a couple of people that take alot of damage and even with 0 energy I end up having enough from Balth to cast all my spells.

My secondary comes in when I do a mission with just henchman. I keep my rez on the bar--but mix in one line of spells from the ele class.

Some missions with undead--I go all smiting-but other missions I have found going with fire helps to add DPS when I need it.

Ninna · Jun 07, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

rangers have some nice skills

bringing a pet is only a issue if you are a primarily a casting class
(because you wont be able to cast any spells for 8 sec when pet dies)

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 07, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

I put together the hp regen on stacking troll ungent, healing breeze and mending.

Troll ungent: Regen of 3-9 over 10 seconds
Healing breeze: Regen 3-8 over 10 seconds
Mending: Regen 1-3

Potential of 20 hp regen, but that is only if you max out wilderness survival and healing prayers. So more realistically it is going 14 hp regen.

Harlas Kije · Jun 07, 2005, 02:22 PM // 14:22

The max health regen you can have is 10 I believe.
There is also a max health degen. Not sure what that is though.

Algren Cole · Jun 07, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclair

Pets are pretty much worthless later in the game. Early on they're cute and fun, but they really don't do much even with maxed beast mastery. Think of it this way, even if you max your pet skills, and bring 4-5 skills for your pet to use, your pet will at most be a Stefan or Little Thom, and you've just used up half your skill slots (1 for charm pet, 1 for a pet res, 2-3 pet skills) and a large portion of your attribute points.

So far, I'm finding a very hard time integrating ranger skills into my build. The problem with ranger secondary is that without expertise, you're pretty much limited to 2 trees. Marksmanship is nice, but much too mana heavy to use without expertise cutting down the mana cost, and the expertise line is just worthless without high expertise.

That leaves you with beast mastery and wilderness survival. Beast mastery is pretty much worthless later on unless you have to abuse symbiosis, but that's a lot more trouble than it's worth. Wilderness Survival has some interesting skills, but most of the stuff involves heavy bow use to really utilize, and in the end I'm just finding myself using storm chaser for running around =/

However, having a ranger secondary on a monk could come in handy in pvp, as nature rituals often come in handy.

I'm only a Level 12 Ranger/Warrior working on the mission with Rurik at Surmia....I can't survive without my pet. All I carry is my Charm. My Level 12 Wolf rarely ever dies. Pets are amazing....I stand outside aggro with a longbow and tool up on characters with arrows while my pet goes inside and takes all the damage. <3 my wolf.

Ninna · Jun 07, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

many rangers have pets

pets are not a good option for *primary* classes like monks or elementalists

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 07, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harlas Kije

The max health regen you can have is 10 I believe.
There is also a max health degen. Not sure what that is though.

Oh there is a cap, good little bit of info to know. Always learning something new on these forums

Jun 07, 2005, 05:23 AM // 05:23	#1
Multifaros Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	Anyone tried mo/r? Im thinking about this. I just started a monk, Miss Dibbles. Im going to take almost everything on healing, protecting and divine flavor. I feels like i dont really need a second proffession. But what about ranger? I can have a pet! This was the plan: On the "skill table" i do only have monk skills, looots of monk skills. And 1 ranger skill, charm animal so that i can have my animal. I can heal my animal with my heal skills. Doesnt it sound damn nice? Anyone tried it? What do you think? And another thing: Animals. I want one of those pig outside the "old, nice" ascalon. Are they bad? I heard someone that said that all pets are almost the same good. If so, i want a pig. Because they look cool.

Jun 07, 2005, 01:34 PM // 13:34	#13
kungfumonkey2 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Guild: ACE~Ancient Combat Experts Profession: E/Mo	I took Ranger as my secondary for my monk. Simply because I have no intention on using my secondary. I will maybe equip 1 ranger skill to play around with from time to time. One thing I like to use is Troll Ungent. That with Healing breeze and mending (they seem to all stack) I get crazy health regen. Troll Ungent is kind of selfish, but I am thinking this would be a good farming combo, and once I get a little higher will test it out. Last edited by kungfumonkey2; Jun 07, 2005 at 01:54 PM // 13:54..

Jun 07, 2005, 06:19 AM // 06:19	#2
Multifaros Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	Please, she's lvl 4 now...

Jun 07, 2005, 06:50 AM // 06:50	#3
Lerxst_of_Syrinx Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: Mo/R	I've been a Mo/R since the WPE many, many moons ago. Since my character has matured (ascended) I have found that I have stopped using my Ranger skills completely. I did enjoy using my pet, but unless you are willing to throw some points into Beast Mastery, pets die far too easily at these higher levels. Using a bow was fun and I pumped up Marksmanship so I could do some damage. But a Monk is just that, a Monk, you tend to heal/protect/smite and are not supposed to be a damage machine; so I purely use Monks skills now. I just changed secondaries and am looking hard at Mesmer skills. A couple look very promising when used in conjunction with some Monk skills.

Jun 07, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00	#4
theclam Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	In my limited experience, I've found that with a Monk, your secondary profession is very secondary. I often don't use any of my Necromancer abilities. When I do, it's almost always just to supplement my healing abilities, rather than incorporating any Necro game mechanics (although if I'm doing easy missions with henchies, I'll use 3 Blood or Death Magic spells, because I don't need to heal much). So, I recommend that if you want to play a primary Monk, pick a secondary profession that will make you a better healer, not a secondary profession that has a cool gameplay mechanic (like a pet, for example). Now, for a Ranger, there are some cool spells that would help you be a better Monk: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/443-energizing-wind http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/427-symbiosis http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/4...u-s-resilience http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill/4...ckening-zephyr I would forget about using a pet, since if you're in PvE, you'll have Warriors that will tank for you, and if you're PvP, your pet skill is just taking up a place on your skill bar that could be used for a much more effective skill. Maybe you should try a Ranger/Monk instead of a Monk/Ranger.

Jun 07, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03	#5
Eclair Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005	Pets are pretty much worthless later in the game. Early on they're cute and fun, but they really don't do much even with maxed beast mastery. Think of it this way, even if you max your pet skills, and bring 4-5 skills for your pet to use, your pet will at most be a Stefan or Little Thom, and you've just used up half your skill slots (1 for charm pet, 1 for a pet res, 2-3 pet skills) and a large portion of your attribute points. So far, I'm finding a very hard time integrating ranger skills into my build. The problem with ranger secondary is that without expertise, you're pretty much limited to 2 trees. Marksmanship is nice, but much too mana heavy to use without expertise cutting down the mana cost, and the expertise line is just worthless without high expertise. That leaves you with beast mastery and wilderness survival. Beast mastery is pretty much worthless later on unless you have to abuse symbiosis, but that's a lot more trouble than it's worth. Wilderness Survival has some interesting skills, but most of the stuff involves heavy bow use to really utilize, and in the end I'm just finding myself using storm chaser for running around =/ However, having a ranger secondary on a monk could come in handy in pvp, as nature rituals often come in handy.

Jun 07, 2005, 07:08 AM // 07:08	#6
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	Might be useful to put points into Wilderness Survival and slap in Dryder's Defenses for self-protection (Stance; 75% melee evade and 34-55 Elemental Armor). Problem is it's only 5-10 seconds and a 60 second recharge, so you'd have to be careful how often you use it. Healing Spring, or maybe even Serpent's Quickness might be useful too, since Dryder's is really late game.

Jun 07, 2005, 07:47 AM // 07:47	#7
Multifaros Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	Ok. Too late. I allready choosed ranger as secondary. Anyhoo, how about pet? I heard someone said that all pets ar almost same good, so i took a pig. lol. A warthog. Lvl 5 now. Are they any good in high lvl?

Jun 07, 2005, 10:07 AM // 10:07	#8
wonderworm Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	If you plan on being a healing monk having a pet is a very very very bad idea. If your pet dies all your skills will be disabled for 10(?) seconds. While this is annoying for all other professions it can be fatal if it happens to the only group healer since you can't heal your party members for that amount of time. I don't think anyone will accept : "Sorry i couldn't heal you because my pet died."

Jun 07, 2005, 10:47 AM // 10:47	#9
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	the pet is worthless due to the death penalty you suffer when pet dies (all your skills are disabled for 8 seconds)

Jun 07, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04	#10
Ripper Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	The are also disabled for another 8 seconds when you rez your pet.

Jun 07, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24	#12
Multifaros Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	Ok. ****. Is there ANY good x/r? It feels like ranger is the badest class. Because this was suppose to be a healing monk. What is best for healing monks? mo/me?

Jun 07, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52	#15
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	rangers have some nice skills bringing a pet is only a issue if you are a primarily a casting class (because you wont be able to cast any spells for 8 sec when pet dies)

Jun 07, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12	#16
kungfumonkey2 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Virginia Guild: ACE~Ancient Combat Experts Profession: E/Mo	I put together the hp regen on stacking troll ungent, healing breeze and mending. Troll ungent: Regen of 3-9 over 10 seconds Healing breeze: Regen 3-8 over 10 seconds Mending: Regen 1-3 Potential of 20 hp regen, but that is only if you max out wilderness survival and healing prayers. So more realistically it is going 14 hp regen.

Jun 07, 2005, 02:22 PM // 14:22	#17
Harlas Kije Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NW Indiana Profession: Mo/E	The max health regen you can have is 10 I believe. There is also a max health degen. Not sure what that is though.

Jun 07, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45	#19
Ninna Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northeast USA Guild: Guilded Rose Profession: Me/	many rangers have pets pets are not a good option for primary classes like monks or elementalists